FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH


MEMORIES OF BARROW GIRL DOLLY

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Dolly Hickey started her career as a barrow girl at the age of 10. She died aged 76 and was buried under her married name of Julia McMullen following a service at St. Anthony's, which was attended, by hundreds of mourners. Dolly who had a wine bar in Scotland Road named after her-had six sons, four daughters, 80 grandchildren and great grandchildren.

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Picture 1 above features Pat McMullen, Julia McMullen(Dolly), Christy, Billy and Maggie McMullen Picture 2 features Pat and Dolly with Maggie and Billy.

Dolly had one of the cities oldest pubs The Westmoreland Arms on Scotland Road named after her and you can still see her name on the bus stop (pictured below) which stands on the road close to the location of the original public house.

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Do You Recognise?

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Thomas Potter sent in this photograph which was taken in Liverpool circa 1910. The chap on the left of the photo leaning against the wagon is Thomas's great grandfather Harry Potter, who used to drive for Burtonwood Brewery. All we know about the photo is that is was taken somewhere in Liverpool around 1910.Do any readers remember which pub it is or know if it still standing? Can anybody identify the other man in this photograph?


Scotland Road Memories

Steve Allen, of Al Akhawayn School, Ifrane, Morocco, writes;

Here is the photo of my great uncle John Holland marked with a cross outside St Anthony's school. The photo must have been taken about 1905 as John was born in 1895. John was the eldest of 5 children, John, Mary, Margaret, Samuel, and Agnes (my grandmother). Their parent's names were Samuel Holland and Jane Dougherty.

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There is a lot of mystery about the father and my grandmother didn't like to speak about him. I have found Jane living on her own with the children on the 1901 and 1911 census. Jane was born in Omagh, County Tyrone according to the 1911 census and I believe maybe John was born there too and the family then moved to Liverpool. The last address I have for them is 2 Tenterden Street. I believe Samuel senior was from Ireland too but I can find no trace of him on records.

The family lived in Liverpool from about 1895 to 1910 and then moved to Birkenhead and never went back. The family were Roman Catholics and parishioners of St Anthony's church. I believe Jane Holland was very religious. There is also an old photo of the altar at St Anthony's which must haven taken about the same time, it was found in my grandmothers things when she died also.

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If any body knows of the family I would love to hear from them as I have been told that Jane might have had a sister called Alice living in Liverpool. John served in the Canadian military during WW1 and later went to Australia. Mary (Sis) lived in Birkenhead all of her life. Samuel lived in Birkenhead until he was drowned under suspicious circumstances in the dock. Margaret (Peggy) ran a guesthouse in the Isle of Man. Agnes lived in Birkenhead.

If you have any information, please contact crogan@scottiepress.org


Ventre and McGuinness Families Genealogy

Roger McGuinness, now of the USA, is in the process of piecing together the family trees of both his parents', who were both born and bred in Liverpool, his mother, maiden name Gwendolene Ventre hailed from Gerard Street and his father Roger McGuinness was of Redmond Place.

Roger is hoping Scottie Press readers will be able to fill in any of the gaps in his research. If you can, contact Roger at rogscouse@aol.com. Click on the links to view the entirety of Roger's work.

Click here to view McGuinness family tree.
Click here to view Ventre family tree.


DO YOU RECOGNISE ANYONE IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS?

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Pete Wall, whose family previously lived OTB before they emigrated to the USA, emailed over these photographs taken at Saint Alban's School. Pete guesses that the photograph of the 'Saint Alban's Boys Class 1' (marked in chalk at the back of class) dates from around 1911, as his father James 'Jimmy' Wall was born 24th October 1905, so would have been six years old.

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The second picture appears to be of a mixed class, but unfortunately there is no clue as to the exact year of the photo. Pete believes this picture must feature his two aunts, as why else would family in Ireland have kept it so well preserved over the years? Taking into account the age of the photograph its quality is very good, and Pete wonders if Scottie Press readers may be able to identify their own relatives in the picture.

If you do recognise anyone in the picture contact Scottie Press on 0151 482 2004 or email greg.creighton@scottiepress.org


DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS PHOTO?

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We have been contacted by Terry Mc Mullen who is trying to locate a copy of the above photograph. The photograph shows friends and neighbours of the Lady Mayoress of Liverpool Mrs Paul Orr who were entertained to tea at the Town Hall and conducted around the building.The ladies are pictured on the Grand Staircase.

Terry's mother Julia Mc Mullen (Dolly Hickey)is featured top right of the photograph. If any reader has a copy of this photgraph we would be grateful if you would contact greg.creighton@scottipress.org and we will forward the information to Terry


DO YOU RECOGNISE?

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Joe Garvey has sent us this group photograph featuring his dad - also Joe Garvey, born 1910 in the middle of the back row who was the youngest ofa large family ; his dad was called James and mother Bridget (nee Plunkett).Both families lived in the Menai Street area.Joe would love to know the identity of the others in the photograph.

Joe also sends us these two photograph which he found amongst his Mum'sthings when she died last year - hername was Teresa Garvey (nee Bryan) who was born in 1913.Her mother's name was Margaret Bryan (nee Cummings) and she was born in about 1875 and she was married to Thomas Bryan.They had 4 childrenwho survived childhood- Teresa, Ann, Patrick & John. It is possible that the children in the picturesare 2 who didn't get past childhood.

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If you recognise anyone in these photographs please contact greg.creighton@scottipress.org and we will forward the information to Joe.


DO YOU REMEMBER JOHN?

We have been contacted by John Gilmore who is seeking confirmation that he was evacuated along with his mother to Nantwich and sent at some stage to Dorfold Hall and elsewhere. John has very faint memories of his time as an evacueee but remembers a shotgun on a farmhouse ceiling , a pig sty, cows, an orchard and being stung by a wasp.

John was born in Ashfield Cottages, 21/6/1938 and baptised in St.Sylvesters and at one time placed in the nursery in Ashfield Street. If you remember John from his time as an evacuee or have any other recollections of John and his family please contact greg.creighton@scottipress.org and we will be happy to pass on any information to John.


JOHN NELSON

We thank Lynda for these memories.
JOHN NELSON, my Great Great Grandfather, sailed into our lives in 1834, as he was born 'at Sea'. His father, Henry, was a Mariner and women often accompanied their men in those times. Possibly they were sailing to a new life in England and settled here in 1834, but we have no earlier record of John prior to the 1861 Census, which tells us that John's ancestors were from Denmark.

John was living and working here by 1861 and fell in love with a young Irish girl, Maria McKenna. On 29 July 1861 John married Maria at St Vincent de Paul's Church, St James Street, Liverpool. He was staying at 27 Blundell Street (a Boarding House) at the time, which was just down the road from where Maria lived with her parents. Most of the boarders were Dutch sailors, a Geret Doorne was one of them and he stood for John as a Witness at his wedding.

On the Marriage Certificate John, working as a ship's Carpenter, was 26 and Maria 25. The Service was conducted by Fr Bernard O'Reilly, Registrar John Wilson Lauson. Witnesses at the Wedding were: Geret Doone (as above) and Mary Henry, Maria's Niece from Ireland. John's Father was Henry, a Mariner (Deceased) and Maria's Father was Patrick, a Joiner.

By the time of the 1881 Census, the Nelson family were living at 34/4 Burlington Street and John was working as a Rigger. They had six children, Barbara Jane, Patrick Henrik, John Edward, Charles Wilson, Mary Ann and Thomas, the youngest son born in 1876.

Patrick Henrik married Elizabeth Cardell in 1886 and they had three children: John, Theresa and Patrick; we don't know what happened to John Edward, but most probably he went off to sea; Charles Wilson, by the age of 14, was also working as a Rigger; Mary Ann married Thomas O'Neill, a Seaman from Ireland and possibly a cousin; and Thomas later became a Port Errand Boy.

On the 19 Oct 1882, their eldest daughter, Barbara Jane Nelson (b1865) married Frederick Mitchelson, a Mariner, in the Chapel of Our Lady of Reconciliation, Catholic Church, Eldon Street, Liverpool - a beautiful old church which is still there today. Fr John Banks conducted the Service and the Registrar was a John O'Shea. Witnesses: Thomas MacLean and Elizabeth O'Neill. (Probably Barbara's Uncle and Aunt from Ireland). Eldon Street is just around the corner from Burlington Street and retains a sense of the old street structure. All the old buildings in Burlington Street have been demolished That week in October 1882 must have been a happy time in Burlington Street. There were two other marriages: on the 16 Oct Michael Salmon married Catherine Hannew of 30/11 Court and on the 22 Oct Julian Coffey married Margaret Smith of 26/4 Court. The Marriage Certificate shows Frederick living at 34/4 Burlington Street with the Nelson family (probably on shore leave for the marriage). Prior to the day he sailed in to marry Barbara Nelson, we knew very little of Frederick except that he was born about 1860 or about 1862. His Father, a Labourer and deceased by the time of the Wedding, was called John.

However, we now know that Frederick and his family came from LATVIA, a Baltic port, the coastal regions of which country are right up there with Finland, Norway, Sweden, all the Scandinavian countries. Latvia has strong Russian, Swedish, Polish and German influences so Frederick's family might have been any one of these nationalities or a mix. On the handwritten Marriage Record written in Latin, the name is Michelsen Although it became Mitchelson on the Marriage Certificate and thereafter, but the name has obviously been 'anglicised' in any case. Two years later, Barbara's father and my Great Great Grandfather, John Nelson died on the Ninth February 1884. He was 49, working as a Rigger, and his Death Certificate shows that he died from: "Immersion in a dock. How he got in the Water not known" John's body was taken to Collingwood Receiving Dock and an Inquest was held on 12 February 1884.

Details were published in the Liverpool Mercury on 13 February 1884:-
LIVERPOOL MERCURY 13 February 1884:-
"On the body of John Nelson, 49 years of age, lately residing at 6 House, 22 Court, Burlington Street and employed as a Rigger. On Saturday afternoon, he was found in the Prince's Dock, not calling out or making a struggle. He was pulled out by a man named Samuel Crosbie, and recovered sufficiently to start to walk home. A police constable said that he considered the man was drunk, though he could walk pretty well. He tried to get him to go to a receiving house, but deceased refused, and on the way home he became ill, and died before medical assistance could reach him. A verdict of death from shock caused by immersion was returned" :-

John would have been suffering from the advance stages of hypothermia ... Slurred speech, lethargy, unable to think clearly, indifference to what is happening on a icy February day, death would be almost inevitable without immediate medical aid So our John Nelson, born 1834 "On High Seas" perished by the same cold waters. He was buried in a Public Grave Ford Cemetery, Liverpool, on the 17.02.1884

In that year of 1884, his daughter, Barbara, and Frederick, now with 3 children, were still living in Burlington Street. They went on to have an enormous family of around 15 children and later moved to Brisbane Street, where Frederick died at home in 1915 with Barbara beside him, and Barbara died in 1922.

Marie Nelson, Barbara's mother and my Great Great Grandmother, born in Ireland c 1934, died in 1897, she was living with her married daughter Mary Ann and husband Thomas O'Neill , who had three children of their own: Charles, Mary Jane and Maria.
Lynda


MEMORIES OF HORNBY STREET

We thank John Fenlon for the following picture of his sister Angela and her friends in Hornby Street 1955.Also the picture of four young men Joey Burns, Barty Burke, Jimmy O'Hare and Hughie White all from Hornby street.

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"THE FINEST GAME OF AMATEUR FOOTBALL I EVER SAW"

About 1953/54 I was standing in Hornby street (idle) When I was approached by the warden of 'Lee Jones Boy's Club' (Mr Bill Horn). After a short chat he invited me to join him and his wife And all the lads and girls on a coach trip (Chara) to long Lane. As the coach moved out we all began to sing 'She wears red feathers' A hit song by 'Guy Mitchell', we sang so many songs. We felt we were going to win the semi Final of the L.B.A. Cup Against Shrewsbury House Boys Club.

The match took place at the enclosed pitch known as 'Little Wembley' At Long Lane L.B.A. ground, Fazakerley. The game kicked off with 'A nice day, a good firm pitch' To help along with the skills of both sides. Half time, no score because both goal keepers 'were faultless'.

With fifteen minutes to go a penalty was awarded to 'Lee Jones', Arthur O'Hare stepped up right foot to the goal keepers left hand, Perfect power, perfect measure. A goal! Final score 1-0, a draw would have been the best result, But I was glad our team won!

(The Anti-Climax) Two weeks later the cup final was played at 'Anfield' All players were privileged to play at such a great venue. The love-hate was inbred from schooldays because of the old rivalry between 'Lee Jones' and 'St.Sylvesters'.

The game was one- tough- hard slog, no quarter was given. Ten minutes before the final whistle 'Sillies' raided 'The Kop' goal end, when Bobby 'Titch' Pines made two reaction saves. In doing so he was injured and was carried off to a wonderful applause from the 'Kop'. This time honours were shared 0-0

'Lee Jones Team':- L.Carberry, G.Morrison, A.Cork, R.Padden, J.McGowen, G.Clinton, T.Clark, J.Dowling, F.Heeney, A.O'Hare, And the Great Bobby 'Titch' Pines.

PS. 'Joe Curran' did not play in this game!

John.J.Fenlon

WHICH TEAM IS IT?

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Dear Scottie Press, In the past Scottie press has been an excellent resource for my family history .It has enabled me to both make contact with unknown cousins and obtain answers to unknown facts for which I am eternally grateful. I have attached a photo of my Grandfather Daniel Molyneux in a football team (circa 1905-10). He is in the front row second left. Do any of your readers' know which team this is? My grandfather and his brothers and sisters all lived around the Scotland Road area. Including Kew Street, Penryhn Street and mainly Louis Street. I have other photos all connected to some football team showing 'Days Out' and 'Off To A Match' but which team is it? Any information would be welcomed.
Daniel Molyneux - email Dmol@blueyonder.co.uk


LIVERPOOL WORKHOUSE

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Local Records Offices and Family History Societies often have records of people who lived in Liverpool's workhouses. Readers who know where the Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral is located (Brownlow Hill) will recognise the area in this 1930s photograph albeit they may not have seen the area when dominated by the former 'Liverpool Workhouse'. The fear of seeking shelter in the workhouse was a very real one for many hard working families who could just not make ends meet in the overcrowded slum conditions in 19th century Liverpool. Life in the workhouse was intended to be as off putting as possible, for while inmates were provided with a bed, there was little in the way of home comforts. Agnes Jones was the first trained Nurse to come to Liverpool in 1865 at the request of William Rathbone to care for the sick and dying in the Workhouse Hospital in Brownlow Hill. Agnes worked with the sick and dying up until she died at the very early age of 36, but she left her mark on Nursing because many of the modern day practices are based on her work. Agnes Jones was a great friend of Florence Nightingale. The Scottie Press set up a webpage (in 2002), which pictures Agnes Jones - the Workhouse Hospital - Agnes Jones depicted in the stained-glass window in Liverpool's Anglican Cathedral - and the Angel Statue commissioned by William Rathbone in honour of Agnes Jones, which stood originally in the Workhouse Hospital. View http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/a_jones.htm There is also a huge amount of information and illustrations on Liverpool's workhouses at http://www.workhouses.org.uk



WHERE TO SEARCH

If you know the place of birth and the names of other family members it is usually a simple job to identify your ancestors on a wide range of Census data. Listed below are some of the sites where you will find Census returns for some or all of the following years - 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911.

www.1901censusonline.com
www.1911census.co.uk
www.ancestry.co.uk
www.familysearch.co.uk
www.findmypast.com
www.GenesReunited.co.uk

Some of the most interesting pieces of information in the Census returns are usually found in the occupations column. Here you will often find very specific information, which gives an insight into the jobs our ancestors did. Information on Liverpool occupations in the 19th Century can be found at www.visionofbritain.org.uk


THROUGH THE EYES OF A CHILD

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Dear Scottie Press, The attachment shows the front and back of the book written by my sister Nancy and the back gives the content along with a photo of Nancy when she was very young. The book can be ordered from bookshops by quoting the ISBN. I know it's been sold in Canada, Australia, America, Wales and England, but of course it's probably because we have relatives in those countries. It's not on the bookshop shelves, but I've managed to get it into my local library in Poole.

In Milton Street (Off Scotland Road) we were parishioners of St Josephs and Nancy went to Bishop Goss School. In Vauxhall Gardens we belonged to St Mary's Highfield Street. (I now live in Highfield Road in Dorset) Nancy was married in St Josephs and both I and my late brother Vinny were married in St Mary's. When Vinny was buried the Funeral Mass was said at Holy Cross, as that was my Mothers Church at the time. My mate at that time was Jackie Mulhearn, who later became Father John Mulhearn S.J. and his brother Tony became, was and probably still is, active in Liverpool politics. They lived in Fontenoy Street, Liverpool 3. Jackie and I were in the Royal Navy together. Nancy has a provisional title for her second book, "The Grays of Liverpool", it is more the life of our family as told by us, but I'm sure Nancy's own part in it will be much more interesting than our contribution.

Paddy Gray.

ourpaddy@btinternet.com



TALES OF A NEW LIFE

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There are usually good reasons for people wanting to make new lives in a different country. It is well recorded that two main reasons in the 19th Century were to escape from poverty and persecution. However a lot of people were simply attracted by the opportunities in new world countries (America, Australia, Canada etc) that they thought best suited their ambitions. Emigrants often sent letters home to family and friends telling them about life in their new homes. Often these letters (tales of a new life) were to be the only contact people would have with family and friends who had emigrated. It's quite possible that, on occasions, the letters may have been accompanied with individual or family photographs and we would be interested in receiving any photos that readers may have and think can enhance this webpage.


LEAVING OF LIVERPOOL

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The "Leaving of Liverpool", also known as 'Fare Thee Well, My Own True Love' is a folk ballad, a popular and wistful song. The sea song's narrator laments his long sailing trip to America and the thought of leaving his birthplace and loved ones (especially his "own true love"). Liverpool was the natural point of embarcation because it had the necessary shipping lines and a choice of destinations and infrastructure, including special emigration trains directly to The Princes Landing Stage. In the near future we intend to expand upon the Scottie Press website's Family History Research webpage by finding ways that decendants of people who emigrated from Liverpool (and who may have had some connection or association with the Scotland Road area) can find out more about the time their ancestors spent in Liverpool. Initially we hope that the Scottie Press Forum facilty might be able to offer help from readers contributions and we welcome hearing from genealogists who might be willing to offer their help to this project. Please contact ronformby@scottiepress.org.uk

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We are also considering working on a 'virtual visit' of the Scotland Road and Vauxhall area and surrounding districts by streaming film footage of the notable landmarks and locations. This film footage will also be streamed on the Tourism in Vauxhall webapge.



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